He was probably more of a business man and a pragmatist who in private was deeply religious and that translated into support for social action. But not active politics and political engagement – though he probably liked the fact that his relatives took on that mantle instead. He was clearly a political ‘mentor’ to Arnold R MP for instance. He was more a background influence on contemporary political debate, as Seebohm was afterwards at a national level. They may all have been too diffident to be politicians!